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		By: Nancy W Petrey		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lois I am familiar with these books you have recommended and have most in my library, including your three. I have been teaching about the Jewish roots of the church since God called me to be a &quot;Mizpah&quot; (watchman and witness) for Israel in 1995. I have written 9 books that include what I have learned. I want to recommend for a &quot;beginner&quot; my 40-page book entitled &quot;Why Christians Should Care About Their Jewish Roots.&quot; It is in all formats and outlets, published by Energion Publications. I have an author page on Amazon. The books I love most are a trilogy of historical romantic fiction, &quot;Family Secrets,&quot; which are packed with Bible lessons and historical stories woven in the narrative of two college couples (3 Jewish and 1 Gentile) on the Mississippi State campus. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f601.png" alt="😁" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png" alt="❤" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lois I am familiar with these books you have recommended and have most in my library, including your three. I have been teaching about the Jewish roots of the church since God called me to be a &#8220;Mizpah&#8221; (watchman and witness) for Israel in 1995. I have written 9 books that include what I have learned. I want to recommend for a &#8220;beginner&#8221; my 40-page book entitled &#8220;Why Christians Should Care About Their Jewish Roots.&#8221; It is in all formats and outlets, published by Energion Publications. I have an author page on Amazon. The books I love most are a trilogy of historical romantic fiction, &#8220;Family Secrets,&#8221; which are packed with Bible lessons and historical stories woven in the narrative of two college couples (3 Jewish and 1 Gentile) on the Mississippi State campus. 😁❤️</p>
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		By: Ron Mauger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[please respond to LLV 8/29 cause I am very interested in the points made]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please respond to LLV 8/29 cause I am very interested in the points made</p>
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		By: LLW		</title>
		<link>https://ourrabbijesus.com/good-first-reads-about-jesus-jewish-context/#comment-11354</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lois,

I&#039;m not sure if I understand your comment about &quot;idolizing&quot; bibles, or translations (?) but I&#039;m sure you&#039;re clued in to things many aren&#039;t regarding this issue. 

I&#039;m also confused about your remark regarding the original languages being Hebrew (actually, some Aramaic too) and Greek for NT. I understand the oldest NT manuscripts are in Greek, but as you pointed out, the teachings would have been in Hebrew (or Aramaic I guess some would say). Isn&#039;t that the premis of your books, that if we are to understand the NT we not only need to to understand its foundation (Tanakh) but also the thoughts being communicated by Jesus and his followers, which of course isn&#039;t Greek thought but Hebrew i.e., there is not always Greek equivalent words for the Hebrew teachings, like the word &quot;Torah&quot; for instance. 

So, although the NT is in Greek, it&#039;s already a &quot;translation&quot; of what&#039;s being communicated. Can you shed some light here? 

Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lois,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if I understand your comment about &#8220;idolizing&#8221; bibles, or translations (?) but I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re clued in to things many aren&#8217;t regarding this issue. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also confused about your remark regarding the original languages being Hebrew (actually, some Aramaic too) and Greek for NT. I understand the oldest NT manuscripts are in Greek, but as you pointed out, the teachings would have been in Hebrew (or Aramaic I guess some would say). Isn&#8217;t that the premis of your books, that if we are to understand the NT we not only need to to understand its foundation (Tanakh) but also the thoughts being communicated by Jesus and his followers, which of course isn&#8217;t Greek thought but Hebrew i.e., there is not always Greek equivalent words for the Hebrew teachings, like the word &#8220;Torah&#8221; for instance. </p>
<p>So, although the NT is in Greek, it&#8217;s already a &#8220;translation&#8221; of what&#8217;s being communicated. Can you shed some light here? </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		By: Lois Tverberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lois Tverberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kathy, Thanks for asking. I&#039;m not overly excited by the Lamsa Bible. It&#039;s based on some questionable premises, including the idea that Jesus only spoke Aramaic. I&#039;m convinced that it&#039;s more likely he did his teaching in Hebrew, especially parables. In Jewish literature, there are thousands of parables recorded, and even when the surrounding text is in Aramaic, a parable will be in Hebrew.

Hebrew and Aramaic are very close languages, so the Lamsa Bible might have a few insights from how Syriac readers understood the Greek texts of the NT. I wouldn&#039;t see these insights as the FINAL word on what the text is actually saying, although they might corroborate ideas from elsewhere. 

I&#039;m actually not keen on the whole premise of writing a new translation of the Bible in order to FINALLY GET IT ALL RIGHT. The REAL text of the Bible is in Hebrew and Greek, and the best way to understand it is to go back all the way to the original words. All translations are approximations. We should quit idolizing them the way we do.

Just had to get on my soapbox here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, Thanks for asking. I&#8217;m not overly excited by the Lamsa Bible. It&#8217;s based on some questionable premises, including the idea that Jesus only spoke Aramaic. I&#8217;m convinced that it&#8217;s more likely he did his teaching in Hebrew, especially parables. In Jewish literature, there are thousands of parables recorded, and even when the surrounding text is in Aramaic, a parable will be in Hebrew.</p>
<p>Hebrew and Aramaic are very close languages, so the Lamsa Bible might have a few insights from how Syriac readers understood the Greek texts of the NT. I wouldn&#8217;t see these insights as the FINAL word on what the text is actually saying, although they might corroborate ideas from elsewhere. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually not keen on the whole premise of writing a new translation of the Bible in order to FINALLY GET IT ALL RIGHT. The REAL text of the Bible is in Hebrew and Greek, and the best way to understand it is to go back all the way to the original words. All translations are approximations. We should quit idolizing them the way we do.</p>
<p>Just had to get on my soapbox here.</p>
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		By: Lois Tverberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lois Tverberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom, thanks for reminding us of that one. I agree - Skarsaune&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830828443/?tag=engedrescen-20&quot; title=&quot;In the Shadow of the Temple&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In the Shadow of the Temple&lt;/a&gt;&quot; is a very nice resource for study of Second Temple Judaism and early Christianity.

It&#039;s over 400 pages though - I&#039;m not sure it would be the first thing I&#039;d give a layperson who just wanted to know more. Maybe a pastor. But it&#039;s well researched and a good reference text.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks for reminding us of that one. I agree &#8211; Skarsaune&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830828443/?tag=engedrescen-20" title="In the Shadow of the Temple" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">In the Shadow of the Temple</a>&#8221; is a very nice resource for study of Second Temple Judaism and early Christianity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s over 400 pages though &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure it would be the first thing I&#8217;d give a layperson who just wanted to know more. Maybe a pastor. But it&#8217;s well researched and a good reference text.</p>
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		By: Tom Guilliams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Guilliams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lois, 
Of course, there are many others but a gem that many don&#039;t know about is &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830828443/?tag=engedrescen-20&quot; title=&quot;In the Shadow of the Temple&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In the Shadow of the Temple&lt;/a&gt;&quot; by Skarsaune. Loaned mine out to someone and need to order another. Keep up the good work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lois,<br />
Of course, there are many others but a gem that many don&#8217;t know about is &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830828443/?tag=engedrescen-20" title="In the Shadow of the Temple" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">In the Shadow of the Temple</a>&#8221; by Skarsaune. Loaned mine out to someone and need to order another. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		By: Kathy Alford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy Alford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ourrabbijesus.com/good-first-reads-about-jesus-jewish-context/#comment-10963&quot;&gt;Lois Tverberg&lt;/a&gt;.

Lois (and anyone else),
Are you familiar with &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/0060649232/?tag=engedrescen-20&quot; title=&quot;Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Text - Lamsa&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Holy Bible: From the Ancient Eastern Text&lt;/a&gt;&quot; By: George Lamsa. I was browsing online and saw it in a Bible search. &quot;. . . is translated directly from the Aramaic (Syriac) text - the language of Jesus - by renowed scholar George M. Lamsa. The translator grew up in the Middle East speaking Aramaic, steeped in a culture with customs, manners, and language almost identical to those in the time of Jesus. These resources are all brought to bear on his life&#039;s work of translating the Aramaic Scriptures - called the Peshitta - into English,&quot; according to the description.
Lois, I have &quot;Our Father Abraham,&quot; and had gotten bogged down, but will take your advice and read backwards. I know there&#039;s a wealth of info in it.
Thank you again for your dedication.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ourrabbijesus.com/good-first-reads-about-jesus-jewish-context/#comment-10963">Lois Tverberg</a>.</p>
<p>Lois (and anyone else),<br />
Are you familiar with &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0060649232/?tag=engedrescen-20" title="Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Text - Lamsa" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Holy Bible: From the Ancient Eastern Text</a>&#8221; By: George Lamsa. I was browsing online and saw it in a Bible search. &#8220;. . . is translated directly from the Aramaic (Syriac) text &#8211; the language of Jesus &#8211; by renowed scholar George M. Lamsa. The translator grew up in the Middle East speaking Aramaic, steeped in a culture with customs, manners, and language almost identical to those in the time of Jesus. These resources are all brought to bear on his life&#8217;s work of translating the Aramaic Scriptures &#8211; called the Peshitta &#8211; into English,&#8221; according to the description.<br />
Lois, I have &#8220;Our Father Abraham,&#8221; and had gotten bogged down, but will take your advice and read backwards. I know there&#8217;s a wealth of info in it.<br />
Thank you again for your dedication.</p>
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		By: Lois Tverberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lois Tverberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Cynthia. I know you&#039;ve been teaching for quite a while now and seeing many ways the text comes to life.

And Helen, good question about having a section in a bookstore. The bookstore in my town used to have a whole endcap dedicated to the context and culture of the Bible, which included nearly all of the books above. It included other books on biblical and Jewish history, geography and archaeology too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Cynthia. I know you&#8217;ve been teaching for quite a while now and seeing many ways the text comes to life.</p>
<p>And Helen, good question about having a section in a bookstore. The bookstore in my town used to have a whole endcap dedicated to the context and culture of the Bible, which included nearly all of the books above. It included other books on biblical and Jewish history, geography and archaeology too.</p>
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		By: Cynthia Prentice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cynthia Prentice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a great post Lois! Your recommendations are right on target. Having read all but two of the books you&#039;ve listed and having served as discussion leader/personal devotion writer for all 12 volumes of RVL&#039;s Faith Lesson...if someone will start with this list I cannot imagine they will ever regret it.  In these past seven years the text has come alive...like colorful pop-up pictures in a children&#039;s book.  Thanks so MUCH for your contribution.  You have a way of taking scholarly topics and communicating them in a way that is so easy to understand.  ~ Cynthia]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post Lois! Your recommendations are right on target. Having read all but two of the books you&#8217;ve listed and having served as discussion leader/personal devotion writer for all 12 volumes of RVL&#8217;s Faith Lesson&#8230;if someone will start with this list I cannot imagine they will ever regret it.  In these past seven years the text has come alive&#8230;like colorful pop-up pictures in a children&#8217;s book.  Thanks so MUCH for your contribution.  You have a way of taking scholarly topics and communicating them in a way that is so easy to understand.  ~ Cynthia</p>
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		By: Helen Hooker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helen Hooker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 02:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Lois, 
As a (non-Jewish) supporter and participant in Messianic congregations since 1991, I couldn&#039;t agree more with your post and your comment here.  I so appreciate your balance and your scholarship!  I work in a Christian bookstore, and I make sure that your books are always well-stocked, as well as singles of most of the books on your fantastic &quot;recommended&quot; list. (I was unaware of your own first book, &quot;Listening to the Language of the Bible&quot;, however, so will correct our lack of it right away!)  So far I have resisted creating a &quot;Messianic Ghetto&quot; (placing all such books into one section in the store)...sprinkling them instead in various categories, hoping people will stumble upon them while browsing for other things. But what do you recommend?  Do you think Christian bookstores should have a special &quot;Hebrew Roots&quot; section?  What would be an effective name and location (e.g., near the &quot;theology&quot; section)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lois,<br />
As a (non-Jewish) supporter and participant in Messianic congregations since 1991, I couldn&#8217;t agree more with your post and your comment here.  I so appreciate your balance and your scholarship!  I work in a Christian bookstore, and I make sure that your books are always well-stocked, as well as singles of most of the books on your fantastic &#8220;recommended&#8221; list. (I was unaware of your own first book, &#8220;Listening to the Language of the Bible&#8221;, however, so will correct our lack of it right away!)  So far I have resisted creating a &#8220;Messianic Ghetto&#8221; (placing all such books into one section in the store)&#8230;sprinkling them instead in various categories, hoping people will stumble upon them while browsing for other things. But what do you recommend?  Do you think Christian bookstores should have a special &#8220;Hebrew Roots&#8221; section?  What would be an effective name and location (e.g., near the &#8220;theology&#8221; section)?</p>
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		By: Lois Tverberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lois Tverberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LLW, Thanks for sharing about the book. A Hebrew version of the gospels won&#039;t be very helpful for a person who is just starting out. The section on idioms sounds interesting though. I&#039;d also remind readers that the NT texts are in Greek, and Delitzsch&#039;s Hebrew version won&#039;t be able to definitively reconstruct Jesus&#039; words.

David Stern&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/9653590111/?tag=engedrescen-20&quot; title=&quot;Jewish New Testament Commentary&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jewish New Testament Commentary&lt;/a&gt; is very good, and more helpful for beginners. There is no comprehensive guide to the NT, but this has a lot in it. I&#039;d worry if someone claimed that they could write one, because there is so much that is up for scholarly debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LLW, Thanks for sharing about the book. A Hebrew version of the gospels won&#8217;t be very helpful for a person who is just starting out. The section on idioms sounds interesting though. I&#8217;d also remind readers that the NT texts are in Greek, and Delitzsch&#8217;s Hebrew version won&#8217;t be able to definitively reconstruct Jesus&#8217; words.</p>
<p>David Stern&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/9653590111/?tag=engedrescen-20" title="Jewish New Testament Commentary" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jewish New Testament Commentary</a> is very good, and more helpful for beginners. There is no comprehensive guide to the NT, but this has a lot in it. I&#8217;d worry if someone claimed that they could write one, because there is so much that is up for scholarly debate.</p>
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		By: LLW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LLW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A fantastic book is the recently released Delitzsch Hebrew Gospels by Vine Of David. 

Although not a study bible per se and only the Gospels thus far, it does have a section on the Hebrew idioms that are all through the NT writings (and markings in the text where they show up) which is an amazing tool to understand the context of so many of Yeshua&#039;s sayings. It&#039;s also a BEAUTIFUL book, both inside and out. 

You can read about it here: http://vineofdavid.org/resources/dhe/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fantastic book is the recently released Delitzsch Hebrew Gospels by Vine Of David. </p>
<p>Although not a study bible per se and only the Gospels thus far, it does have a section on the Hebrew idioms that are all through the NT writings (and markings in the text where they show up) which is an amazing tool to understand the context of so many of Yeshua&#8217;s sayings. It&#8217;s also a BEAUTIFUL book, both inside and out. </p>
<p>You can read about it here: <a href="http://vineofdavid.org/resources/dhe/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://vineofdavid.org/resources/dhe/</a></p>
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